"Track how people's statements shift with their incentives Hao described a practice of reading public quotes from AI leaders across time to see how their stated views evolved alongside their financial and competitive interests. She noted that Dario Amodei said in 2017 that he saw a '10% to 25%' chance of 'something goes really quite catastrophically wrong on the scale of human civilization' — while still working at OpenAI — and that his framing shifted as his own company Anthropic became a direct competitor. Mapping what someone said, when they said it, and what they stood to gain at that moment gives you a far more accurate picture of their true beliefs than any single statement alone. Source: Karen Hao, The Diary of a CEO with Steven Bartlett, Empire of AI"